AN INTERVIEW WITH MISTRESS MICHELLE
( To give you a better insight about me, this interview was done Aug. 1985,
I had 22 years experience at the time. 2005 will mark my 42nd year into
B&D and many things have occurred since this interview)
BY BILL JAMES Aug 1985
One of the interesting parts of business consulting
is being occasionally hired by a client to do
recruiting. They do this for a very simple reason:
If a consultant recruits they can raid other
companies. I had flown into Detroit Metropolitan and
had a schedule of interviews starting at 10:00 AM
going straight through to dinner time.
The Detroit area is not only a city known for the
automotive industry, and some of the best mechanical
engineers in the world but also happens to be the
home of Mistress Michelle; probably the best known
Mistress in the world of B&D. I write stories about
B&D and through some connections, had managed an
interview with her. The only problem was getting
together. When I first checked into the Detroit
Renaissance Center hotel I placed a call only to
leave a message that I was in town, at the hotel and
I'd try to call back.
My client not only wanted an expert in automated
assembly systems but also preferred a female
engineer so that his company would comply with the
equal opportunity laws so he could bid on federal
contracts. Every hour went like clockwork, the hotel
hostess would call saying the next candidate was
here. In a few minutes there would be a timid knock
on the door and a lady in a business suit, with the
appropriate leather attaché case would walk in,
firmly shake hands and proceed to fall to pieces
during the interview. Colleges may teach engineering
but they definitely don't teach interviewing.
By mid afternoon I had made my choice: Barb was a
Senior Engineer working for Ford, in her mid
twenties, had a quick mind, good business sense and
an IQ above 120. I called my client and described
her towards the end of the interview. His only
question was where did she want the plane ticket
sent and how soon could she come to Boston for a
face to face interview. The rest of the interviews
held no surprises. Barb was my first and only
choice. By 5:00 PM I had interviewed everyone on my
list. However, the hotel desk again called:
"A Ms. Peters is here, Sir." The operator said in a
tone that could freeze boiling water. "She says she
has an appointment. She's not on the schedule you
left with us. Do you want to see her?"
I checked my copy of the appointment schedule and
didn't see a Peters anywhere. Since my secretary had
set up all the schedules, I could only think that
she'd left one name off. I told the hotel clerk to
send her up and if anybody else showed up to tell
them the job had been filled.
As I looked out over the Detroit river from the 30th
floor I heard a knock on my door that told me this
was no timid female interviewing behind her boss's
back. I said to come in and turned around as soon as
I heard the door close behind her.
I was standing face to face with a stunning blond
dressed in a royal purple wrap around dress, about
5`10", slim, with brown eyes that twinkled as she
looked at me. I offered her a chair as I sat down.
Her dress fell from her knees as she sat revealing a
pair of legs that could turn heads from a quarter
"I'm sorry," I said apologetically. "But I don't
have you on my appointment list."
"Sure you do." She said with a wicked smile. "You're
going to take me to dinner! I'm Mistress Michelle
The joke was on me. I'd called Michelle, left
messages where I was staying but just before the
trip I'd been unable able to confirm our interview.
I quickly grabbed my tape recorder an we went to the
penthouse restaurant for dinner.
Detroit is a beautiful town at sunset. After we had
a few drinks and ordered dinner, I turned on the
recorder and started asking questions. Here it is:
"When (in your life) did you find that you enjoyed dominance?
"About a year ago a local magazine In Detroit interviewed me
and asked the same question. I don't think anyone is
dominant by accident. Recently, there was a study
released that said there was a genetic basis for
this. It caused hormones to be released which
actually caused dominant behavior. While I don't
think that it is as simple as that, I do believe
there is a physiological component to dominance. So
you could say I was born with it."
"What other components are there?"
"Cultural and psychological. Obviously, If you are brought up
in a culture that prizes dominant behavior, you'd be
considered normal. On the other hand if your culture
is extremely passive, your dominant traits would
cause you to stick out like a sore thumb."
"I was born a twin and I do have a slight imbalance
of hormones. This is why I believe there's probably
some truth in the theory of hormones being related
to behavior. Our culture rewards aggressive behavior
in most people. Thus, having the trait of being
dominant isn't particularly unusual. But that
doesn't really answer your question. I think if you
have only these two components in place, it still
doesn't make you a dominant. I believe strongly that
it is your mental state that allows you to be a
"Did you discover dominance by yourself or did someone
introduce you to it?"
"This probably applies to every dominant. B&D is not
something you do by yourself, like the way a baby
learns to walk. Someone has to teach you. For me it
started out over twenty years ago. I was involved
with a boy friend who often persuaded me to dress in
black nylons, garter belt and bra to enhance my
sexual attraction. He often showed me pictures in
adult magazines of other people. We used these
pictures are part of foreplay.
"You've probably hit on the reason Fredrick's of Hollywood
will never go out of business.
"Right." She laughed. "But as this became routine, I decided
to try exotic makeup and bizarre hair styles. He was
really into this. The more I did, the further he
wanted to go. We also discovered Oriental Style Rope
"Before we go any further .... You are perhaps one of the most
versatile and experienced Mistresses in the country.
Some of the people who read this aren't familiar
with the terms you use. Can you explain Oriental
Style Rope Bondage? I assume it's not as simply as
tying someone up.
"In a nutshell it's really tight, explicit bondage using
lots of rope. Very snug. A favorite is tying people
in Hog Tie positions. The Orientals do a lot of this
using bamboo polls. It `s very neatly done. It is
probably because the culture was very poor, thus
without being able to buy or make this kind of
equipment they developed this style of bondage, much
like the way they developed Karate because weapons
"Thanks. Please go on."
"For two or three years I played the part of a submissive. By
this time it was not only just clothes we were into
gags, nipple torture, suspension, whipping,
spanking, dildos and verbal humiliation."
"You got all this from magazines and your boyfriend?"
"You have to understand that back in the 60's, B&D
magazines had come a long way from rag sheets sold
through the mail, to glossy covers, with full color
pictures. It was through those magazines that we
both began meeting people with the same interests.
The people we met were not into the Scene as much as
we were. This meant that most of the time I played a
"A Switchable is someone who plays a Dominant one time and a
Submissive the next. Yes?"
Well after about six years I had lost contact with
my friend. When I met someone new, I found myself
being the Submissive teaching the Dominant. I'd
become the teacher, not the student. As time went on
I found liked being dominant more than being
submissive, I think it was then my dominant side was
"born". I'd probably had this trait all my life.
But, until I had something to bring it out, I never
realized I had it. Once it was nurtured along,
however, I realized this was what my destiny was: To
be a Dominant."
discovered that you were a true Dominant, did you
regret any of your experiences being a submissive?"
"Actually, the experiences I'd had being a
submissive helped me in being a dominant. This is
probably the advantage I have over most other
dominants: I understand what submissives feel when
they are being dominated."
"You mentioned that even with the effects of hormones, environment,
and culture. It still takes someone to bring an
individual into the world of B&D. For you it was
your boyfriend when you were young. What kind of a
career and what kind of a person do you think you'd
be now, if you hadn't discovered the world of
"Probably a in Management job or with the police. I am a
dominant personality and I don't think I'd be happy
unless I was in a job where I could be dominant.
Someone who gives orders, makes decisions that
affect other people, someone who controls other
people's lives. Where they look up to your
"This is a dumb question, but how many different things do you
"As I said before, from the beginning I've been into
Oriental Style Rope Bondage, nipple torture,
spanking, whipping, and dildos. Later, about 15
years ago, I progressed to hoods, weights, gags,
harnesses, electricity, golden showers, and public
"Eight years ago I was indoctrinated into high
volume high colonics and Bardex enemas. Just a year
ago I found myself drifting into the world of
piercing. As you can see I'm pretty well versed in
the art of B&D."
" The Art of B&D?
"Absolutely! I believe that B&D is an art. It
certainly isn't for everyone. It takes years of
experience to do it well. If I could give advice to
anyone it would be don't attempt B&D by yourself if
you are a beginner. I do this everyday. B&D is my
lifestyle. Over the years, I've learned how to
handle people and what to do in certain situations."
"How would you describe yourself? Therapist?, counselor? Sensual
"Actually, I'm all of these. But I do this for a
living and I pay income tax. Can you imagine the
problems filing your taxes, using `Mistress' as your
"I don't think you could find a better way to have an audit. What
do you tell the tax people?"
classify myself as a Behavior Consultant. If I
called myself a therapist or counselor, the state of
Michigan would require I have a Master's degree and
get a license. However, Detroit is full of
consultants in just about every field you can think
of. So I can do my thing and be a consultant and NOT
have to worry about being certified."
"It's certainly not the thing you'd do In Graduate
School at the University of Michigan
"Exactly. Every quarter I sit down with my accountant and we
figure out my estimated taxes. To the IRS I'm a
Behavior Consultant because they understand that
name, however In the magazines I'm a Dominant or
"Tell me about your life."
"This actually goes back to your question of how I became
a dominant. I grew up is Southern California, and
went to High School there. By the time I had gotten
out of high school this (Dominance) had distilled
within me. My dad was an executive for one of the
automotive companies. He held a very responsible job
that kept him working most weekends and many long
hours during the week. His job required him to be
very dominant and aggressive. This meant I didn't
really see much of him as I was growing up. My
mother however, was submissive. She hardly ever
disciplined me as a child, saving discipline for
when my father came home. I associated discipline
with my father instead of my mother. When I was
young, he was very strict.
As I grew up, he became very lenient. So I think I
became closer to my father than my mother. If you
can say there is an "environmental" component to my
dominant behavior -- then that is probably it."
"I went to college at the University of Michigan on
a Co—Ed program while I was working at General
Motors and majored in business and math. This Is a
program where you work for six months, go to school
for six months, then switch back again. I did that
until I had about a year and a half of college, but
I still didn't find what I was looking for."
"What did you do then?"
"I took a leave of absence from General Motors and joined the
"Did you like it?"
"Sure, I liked it. During this time I went back and forth
between General Motors and the Army, progressing
from an E-1 and coming out an 0-3 Captain. My career
also progressed at General Motors. The discipline
techniques I learned in the Army I could apply on
the job. At the end of 13 years at General Motors I
was in Management"
"When and how did you decide to do this professionally?"
"As I said before, I'd been into B&D since I was a kid.
However, how I became a professional Mistress is an
interesting story. Do you want to hear it?"
"We've got the entire night..., go ahead."
"In April 1976 I was working for General Motors, driving
around a car that already had 225,000 miles on it
and, even though the union wages were pretty good, I
was having problems paying my bills."
"I don't think it's changed too much, even today."
"You're probably right. Anyway, a friend of mine
(actually the one who had introduced me to B&D many
years before) came over to my house. I told him I
was having trouble paying my bills. Later that
evening we were fooling around with the bondage
equipment and he said `Michelle ... You're really
into this. You are good looking and know how to use
this equipment. Why don't you advertise in these
magazines and charge a fee. I'll bet you could make
a good living being a professional Mistress.'"
"What did you say to him?"
"Actually, the first thing I did was laugh at him! I
didn't think anyone could make a living from B&D! He
told me he knew dominants who were making $1500 a
week. I thought this was really funny! To prove it
he showed me a picture of this girl, and let me tell
you she was really unattractive! I thought that if
she could make $1500 a week with her looks, I could
"What did you do?"
"It was really pretty simple: I had a few photo's taken and
submitted to a local magazine. They not only
published my pictures and address, they also
published my phone number."
"It turns out that I was one of the first Mistresses
to nationally advertise my phone number and you
WOULDN'T BELIEVE the number of phone calls I got in
the first week. I kept working for General Motors
during the day and answered the phone calls and did
sessions in the evenings. I charged thirty dollars
per session and in the first week I saw five people
and made $150. The second week I made $300! It kept
going up until by the end of the month I was making
$600 per week. Today that doesn't seem like a lot of
money. However, I at that time $150 a week was what
I was making at General Motors."
"Did you leave your job at GM?"
"Not at first. I took a sick leave and decided to see if I
could support myself being a professional Mistress.
As it worked out I quickly found out I could make an
excellent living. So I quit my job and became a
Mistress full time."
"Are you Married, Single, Attached ..."
"I've been married twice. Right now I'm seeing a girl, but
I'll tell you more about that later."
"What do you call the people who come to you for a session,
Slaves? Clients? Customers?
"Slaves. Lawyers have clients and Car Salesmen have
customers. I have slaves." "A client or customer
comes to somebody. expecting to purchase a specific product
or buy a service to accomplish an exact goal. SIaves come
to me ONLY expecting domination. What It is, and in what form
we do it is up to me. I do what I feel like doing,
during a session."
"Is it totally up to you, or do you slaves have any input?"
"Well, a good mistress will work within the limits of the
slave. In other words, I won't do things to people
that they don't want done. The purpose of Dominance
is to be pleasurable for both of us. Leaving a slave
dissatisfied only means he won't come back?"
"B&D has many areas such as Bondage, body worship, leather, water
sports, TV-ism, foot worship etc. Which do you enjoy best?"
"I've been at this for more than 20 years. Unlike some
mistresses, I've expanded what I do instead of
specializing. I'm probably into more facets of B&D
than any other mistress in the country."
"Do I like those things? ... Leather? Sure I like
leather. TV-ism? Not so much. But of all the things
you've mentioned you left out the most important."
"One of the things I REALLY enjoy is Public Humiliation. I
enjoy shocking people who are straight. I enjoy
taking a slave out in public and humiliating him
while others watch. I'm very much of an
exhibitionist. I love going to places like The
Hellfire Club in New York and putting on shows. When
Hellfire West was here in Detroit I used to put on
shows and I really got a kick out of it!"
"What I enjoy most is the shock effect of public
"Could you give me an example?"
Once I had a slave take me out to dinner. I had him
climb under the table, kiss my feet and jack off
during the meal. The excitement was both the
anticipation of getting caught and publicly
"You contribute articles regularly to nationwide B&D
publications such as CORPORAL published by Esoteric
Press out of New York. Why do you do it?"
"At first I did it strictly for the publicity. I'd trade
stories and articles for advertising. It also allows
people to see my expertise in Dominance."
"This is a fairly harmless way to get to know me. As
they look at the pictures and read my stories, they
know what to expect in a session with me."
"You are a very prolific writer, do You pick the topics, or are
"I usually pick the topics. What I try to do is vary
my topics. As I've said before, I've been in this
business a long time and B&D has many facets.
Sometimes I write an article on spanking, the next
one on rope bondage, sometimes on enemas.
"Lets face it. These magazines aren't interested In
the same topic over and over again. I've been
writing on a constant basis for CORPORAL for more
than eight years. You can cover a lot of ground
writing for that long. These magazines are published
by street people whose business is producing
magazines. I make my living doing B&D, but these
people (the magazine publishers) make their living
putting together magazines on B&D NOT doing it.
They're probably interested in it, but they don't
make their living at it the way I do."
"Have you had any problems with publishers?"
the people who publish these magazines seem to feel
that the way to ensure sales of their products is to
constantly print pictures of any new face that comes
along. The problem with this is that they take on
a lot of people who are rip off artists. The basis on
any magazine should be the credibility of Its
advertisers. Without it the magazine Is as bad as
the people who take ad's in them. They seem to think
that a new Mistress on the scene is the way to
" And you disagree?"
"Absolutely! I've met a lot of women who think of
themselves a professional Mistresses. However,
they're only in it for the money. They take out an
ad. Get a few customers and rip them off. They
generally don't last."
"I've found people want a Mistress who is sincere,
honest, knows what she's doing, respects the limits
of her slaves, and enjoys doing B&D. There's a lot
of Mistresses out there who are excellent, but
because they've been in the business for some time
the magazines give a lot more exposure to someone
new, who doesn't know shit, only because nobody has
seen her on the cover of a magazine before."
"Have you ever thought of compiling all your `how to' articles into
"Sure. I've really considered it. BUT in this business it's
not the authors that make any money on books it's
the publishers and distributors. If I were to invest
my time, I'd like to see a return on my efforts. If
I found a publisher that would work with me on a
royalty basis, I'd probably do it."
"How do your slaves meet you?"
"People usually meet me through my ads. Sometimes they've
seen me in my videos."
"You've made videos?"
"Yes, I've made seven of them. However, I've not
really gained recognition from them, I've never
made a video where I've been able to put my address
or phone in the credits. I'm sure people recognize
me from the videos when they see one of my ads.
People usually start by writing to me. If they read
an ad with my phone number, they call. As I said
before I was one of the first Mistresses to publish
my phone number. Of course I've done shows, I give
lectures at schools, and there's probably some word
of mouth from other slaves and people like you."
"You said you did seven videos. Did they have a plot
or were they simply a video of a session."
"These kind of videos have plots in the sense of a general
outline of what we're going to do. But as we make
the video little things change and they kind of make
"The one that I thought was really good was the
BIZARRE WORLD OF MISTRESS MICHELLE. I thought of the
plot and we did it as we went along."
"If you could make your own video -- (Have complete control over
what went into it) what would it be like?"
"I'd set the plot and we'll do the video. Because I do B&D
day in and day out , I think I know what people
enjoy and therefore want to see, more than someone
who makes movies and has either a fantasy B&D life
or only does it occasionally. I think a good video
will have a little of everything. Some humor, lots
of action, some heavy things but not too much."
"Too much heavy stuff will turn most people off. The secret of
a good video or session is the mix of the different
things you do. I recently talked with some people to
make some new videos. They're going to let me do
what I feel like doing. These will be fun!"
"You said you give talks on Dominance. There's a dominant here in
Denver who regularly holds lectures (and demonstrations) on dominance.
Do you (or would you) do that?"
"If you mean do I give lectures on a regular basis ... No I
don't. Once in a while a college or university will
call and ask me to speak to a Social Anthropology or
Cultural Anthropology class to give a talk on B&D."
"What do You say to a class?"
"I bring in some photos and equipment and show them what B&D
is all about."
"B&D appeals to a very select audience. How do the people in
these classes react?"
"That's the funny thing about this -- They sit there an joke
around and laugh with it we make a fun time of it.
Some of them I've gotten to know in these classes, I
then I get to know them through B&D. These lectures
are a way these people discover it."
"To answer your original question, no I don't do
this on a regular basis, but I do lecture from time
"What is a typical session like?"
"It's probably easier to tell you about the first couple
of sessions I have with a slave than to try to tell
you what a typical session is. There is no such
thing as a typical session. People's tastes are as
different as the people who have them."
"At the first session, and this is what happens to
everyone no matter who they are or what their
experience Is, I give them kind of an introductory
session. This includes a lot of different things."
"We do some verbal humiliation, whipping, spanking, and
maybe some harnesses. When we get to a certain point
in the session I give the person a choice of what
they'd like to do. I won't do anything they're not
into. When I was younger, and I felt like doing
something, I did it! I got a lot of slaves mad at me
and probably lost many of them to other mistresses.
I've learned not to do anything people aren't into."
"By the second or third session, I know what the
slave likes, and the session goes from there,
sometimes It more intense, sometimes we experiment
with something new, but the each session is never
the same. Everyone is an individual an has their own
"Since I've done this for so long, and I'm into so
many things, there's probably nothing I haven't done
short of murder."
"If you had a perfect session, what would It be?"
"A perfect session would be a slave that came on time,
paid on time, and did everything I wanted to do. If
I asked him if he was into harnesses he'd say `yes',
the same for whipping, spanking, or nipple torture.
A perfect session not only requires a good mistress
but also a slave who was well versed in everything.
This allows you to show all you skills at being a
Mistress, and his expertise at being a submissive.
At the end of the session, I'd like him to tell me
he liked it."
"Have you had any `perfect' sessions?"
"Sure! I've had lots of them. They're alot of fun. You
certainly don't want a person to come in and you ask
him `are you into XXX?' and he says `no', `Well are
you into YYYY?' and he says `no` again"
"What's the use in coming? We're not going to sit
down and have tea and cookies!! The whole idea is
for it to be pleasurable for both of us."
"Are sessions sexually stimulating for you?"
"Yes they are! That's one reason being a Dominant is so much
fun. For me, it's really erotic is when something
happens. I can't say that If I have a guy come In,
and in the middle of piercing his nipples he passes
out that THAT is sexually stimulating. But if a
person were to come in, and I did something
different to him and he found a new area of
excitement for him. Then that's what is really
exciting! It's Important to say that this doesn't
have to be particularly heavy or raw to be exciting
to me. I can simply take a person out in public and
humiliate him for It to be exciting for both of us."
"I told you earlier about the slave I had in the
restaurant? That was a Blast!"
"Do your slaves tend to have an orgasm as part of the
"Sure, sometimes I let them have the reward of an orgasm. I
have a certain philosophy about this: If a slave is
good, they get a reward. If they are not good, they
get disciplined. I haven't seen one good slave yet,
when they first come to me, but they usually get a
reward of some type."
"Any limits on what a slave can ask for?"
"I don't put up with this garbage about wanting to fuck me or
stuff. That would be the ultimate reward for a
slave, and I've seen very few that even have the
potential to deserve that as a reward."
"Is intercourse ever part of a session?"
"No. If a guy wants intercourse he can get it from his wife,
his girlfriend, or a girl at a bar. They don't come
to me looking for sex, they come expecting to be dominated."
"It would seem that a large majority of professional dominants are
female with only few male dominants. Do you know why?"
"Traditionally, males are brought up to be dominant
and females are brought up to be submissive.
Probably the combination of hormones, environment,
and circumstances that caused me to be dominant also
cause men to be submissive; if you understanding my
meaning. But this is not the way society is set up."
"Once a girl realizes that she doesn't fit into the
role of being submissive and has this power of being
a Mistress, they either find a man to be a slave or
advertise in these magazines. It's not all that
"Males are usually dominant. Consequently, the
average person either doesn't know a lot about
dominance or submission or, for that matter has any
particular desire to learn about it. They do it
naturally throughout their lives. A husband yelling
at his wife, or demanding sex on a regular basis,
and his wife consenting to it, is an example
dominance and submission. "
"What we tend to call a "henpecked" husband, is his
wife actually becoming a Mistress and not knowing
it. Males don't particularly have to advertise as
dominants because that's the way our culture is. If
they did, there would probably alot of people answering their ads.
The reason that females advertise is that there are
so few of us. Because there are so few real dominant
women we are in high demand, to the point of being
able to charge a fee and make an excellent living
from being a Mistress."
"Quite frankly, I don't think a male could make a
living as a dominant. Who would he dominate anyway?
Women? A girl doesn't have to go to a male dominant
to be submissive. All she has to do is live in this
culture! She could get it for free from just about
"Do all mistresses advert?"
Michelle Peters: "I do, but just the other day I was
talking to another mistress who said she never
advertised at all, and had lots of slaves!"
"Do you regularly talk with other mistresses and
exchange techniques, slaves etc. ?"
"It's not like we have a professional association
and get together on a regular basis to exchange
ideas. I do talk to many mistresses over the phone.
I think the ones that talk to me are the ones who
are not threatened by someone else. They are the
REAL Mistresses. They're in complete control of
their own lives and totally secure with themselves
in the world of B&D."
"What kind of people are they?"
"The insecure ones are off on their own trips. However,
the Mistresses I've come to know are nice people who
are totally professional in what they do. They don't
try to put you or anyone else down. Over the phone
or through letters it's almost impossible to
exchange techniques. However, when we visit each
other we do end up showing each other new stuff. I
can watch them in action, see their dungeons, see
the kind of equipment they're using."
"The equipment used is B&D you can't go to your
local supermarket and buy it off the shelf. When I
see something I can use, I come back and have it
made. Some of the Mistresses have some very good
"Are there more men or women who come to you for a session?"
"More men come to see me than women. That may have
nothing to do with the fact that I'm female and a
Dominant, but probably more because of where I
"What do you mean?"
"It's a male world. Adult bookstores are geared towards
males. Adult movie theaters are geared towards
males. Adult newspapers are geared towards males.
It's logical that since males see my advertising in
these places, I'd have more male slaves than female.
"If things were different -- if the bookstores, movies or
newspapers either appealed to both men and women OR
if there was an equal amount of adult information
separately for men and women do you think it would
"Absolutely. But, with one drawback"
"Society looks down on a female being with a female. The main
attraction is for a female to dominate a male or
vice versa. If I was a male dominant, I would
probably have more female slaves than male."
"Are the sessions for men any different than for women?"
"Sure. Whoever does a B&D session, probably 90% of
it is psychological. Men's fantasies are different
than women's, so of course the sessions are
different. Also, I like women better than I like
men. So I'm not as hard on the women. If a dominant
liked men more than she liked women she'd probably
be harder on the women.
"I probably do the same things to both sexes. But
because their fantasies are different, the tone of
the session changes for men and women."
"I've had all human interaction described as being either dominant
or submissive. Do you think that is true? Why?"
"I think we all have these traits to some degree. This is how
we get along in society. However, I don't think
that's what you mean. Most people are never
exclusively dominant or submissive. They could be
3/4 dominant and 1/4 submissive, or any combination.
If you want to look at human interaction in two
categories it's probably equally silly to see
everything in terms of religion or politics. But I'm
sure some people see the world that way also. I
think society and people are too complex to make
life seem that simple."
"Can you describe the typical person who comes to you for a
session? age, education, job etc."
"In some respects there is no such thing as a typical slave.
I've had them from 18 to 80 years old, illiterate to
PhD's, and from every walk of life you can name."
"Instead of typical, what is the average person?"
"The average slave is between 30 and 40 years old, more
successful in business that average, and usually better educated."
"The age thing is kind of funny though -- I've found
that if a mistress is 18 years old, most of her
slaves are 18. If she's in her 30's her slaves are
in their 30's give or take a few years and so on."
"It seems that people prefer Mistresses from people
pretty much their own age."
"Dominance is not something for an average person. I
think my slaves have already come to the conclusion
that day-to-day sex is boring for them. I believe
they're looking for something beyond that. For them
It is just another form of foreplay."
"Why do your slaves come to you? Are they seeking psychological
release, acting out a fantasy, or looking for sexual variation?"
"I think they come for all three of those reasons. I don't
think that they come for sex. If all they wanted was
sex, they could get that from just about anyone.
Since I'm a professional, they know they're coming
to me for just dominance."
"What is your definition of Dominance?"
"My definition of a person who is dominant is one who
controls, has authority or power. It definitely
ISN'T someone who gets sexual pleasure out of
controlling or inflicting pain on others. That's a Sadist."
"Dominance covers a wide area of human sexual behaviors- What
do You enjoy? Do you specialize? What do your clients enjoy?"
"What do I enjoy? I enjoy doing oriental style rope bondage,
spankings, whippings, and public humiliation. But,
as I said before, I really enjoy shocking people."
"In terms of specialties, right now I specialize in
piercing, enemas, and rope bondage. Actually, the
very nature of being a dominant Is being a
specialist, so everything I do is a specialty."
"Everyone who comes to me, at some time, has read an
ad or story of mine. Depending on what was published
I tend get different slaves. If the story is about
spanking, I get a lot of people into spanking. If
it's TV-ism I get a lot of TV's, enemas I get people
into enemas. However, the majority of people who
come to me are people who have seen or heard about
me and know I'm good at some heavier types of
things. This is because I've been into this for more
than 20 years."
"You've got to be careful when using the phrases `heavy' or
`light' in B&D. What is heavy to one slave may be
light to the other."
"Do you see society accepting B&D as a normal form of sexual
variation in the future?"
"Yes and no. First, psychologists tell us there are only
twelve things that are normal, and I've never met
anyone who is into all twelve. I really don't know
what normal is. Do I see more and more people
accepting this as a form of sex play? Sure!"
"Society is accepting dominance. Look at the new
wave fashions. Leathers and other clothes are now
becoming in very fashionable. I don't see this as
replacing regular sex just because it appeals to a
very few people. But I do see a time when society
will no longer condemn it as being "sick". Anyone
can have sex. It takes a unique breed of person to
understand and enjoy Bondage and discipline."
"if someone wanted to try B&D to see if they liked it, how would
you suggest they `get into It'?"
"If a person is a novice, and had never done this before
and thought they like B&D .... Sure, Try It! If you
like it, do it. I can't see that it will hurt you.
But make sure you do it with the right people."
"Who are `the right people'?"
"Your very first experience in B&D should probably be with
a professional mistress who understands novices.
The experience can really turn you off if it Is done
improperly by the wrong person who doesn't
understand your limits."
"Do you have equipment? How often is it used?"
"Yes, I have lots of equipment. As a matter of fact I
probably have more than any other mistress in the
country. I may not have as many of one thing as
other mistresses however, I probably have a wider
collection of equipment than anyone else."
"I don't own equipment to hang on the wall either.
Everything I have, I'm capable of using at anytime
during a session. Some things are used on an
everyday basis, while other things are used only
"What type is most heavily favored by your slaves?"
"Generally my slaves are into rope bondage,
harnesses, spankings, and things of this nature. I
also have a lot of neat little things that have been
adapted, like disposable towel clamps that are now
nipple clamps, fishing weights I use to weight down
cocks, balls, and nipples. The equipment used for
"heavier" sessions like electricity, piercing, or
blood letting, obviously don't get used as much as a
paddle or a riding crop."
"What is a `heavy' session as opposed to a `light' session?"
"It all depends on the person. To me a heavy session
is electricity, piercing, branding, that sort of
thing. It depends on the person's psyche. To some,
rope bondage, spanking and enemas might be heavy but
to others this might be light. If a slave asks me to
cut his dick off ... I'd say THAT'S heavy!!!"
"I'm not going to ask you if you ever have."
"Why not? You never find out anything unless you ask!"
"What is the most popular session you do?"
"I already told you about the novice introductory
session, Many people who come to me are novices, and
are in it just to experiment. So, you could say the
most frequent session Is an introductory session.
This includes rope bondage, whipping, spanking,
humiliation, light harness, gags, nipple and penis
torture, and enemas."
"Do all these things happen in the first session?"
"No, but they could. It is important to respect the
limits of your slave. Some of this stuff we may not
do. But I'll do just about anything in the realm of
"Do your slaves come to you with a fantasy they wish to act
out? or do you attempt to work it out with them
before the session starts? or do they simply leave
it up to your imagination?"
"Sure, some of them come to me with a fantasy already
worked out. But you have to remember I'm not an
actress, I'm a Dominant. I usually don't do those
types of session the first time. After a few
sessions we'll get more into the type of session
that the slave might want. But it's still up to my
own imagination to determine what happens in a session."
"Dr. Gini Scott has recently published a book titled Dominant
Women Submissive Men, she grouped people who are
into B/D into three groups: those people who
experiment with B/D, those who have integrated it
into their sex lives, and those who have changed
their life style to accommodate B/D as a large part
of it. Do you agree or disagree with this? Why?"
"That's the kind of a question you'd ask on a college essay
test. However I don't agree with it. I think you're
either in to it or your not. It's that simple. Most
people who are into it have already adapted it into
their life. It get's a little complex is when you
start talking how heavily you're into it. I think
the longer you do it, the heavier you're into it.
For me, it's my life. I make my living at it. For
you, Bill, it would appear it's part of your life.
AND if you weren't interested in it we wouldn't be
"Good point. Let's go on to the next question."
"If someone did find that they enjoyed B&D and now
wanted to share it with their lover. Any suggestions
on how to bring it up?"
"B&D is not for everybody. Just because you might enjoy B&D
doesn't mean your mate or lover are into it. That's
probably the biggest failure in human relationships:
Communication! You've got to communicate with your
mate! And do it with a spirit of openness and
honesty. You need to sit down and talk about things.
No matter how ridiculous it may sound, each mate
needs to get it out in the open. You've got to be
open minded about this."
"Do you think everyone is that open minded?"
"No there are a lot of women through upbringing and
other things I've mentioned earlier, who would never
think of, or enjoy playing either a dominant or
submissive role. You've just got to talk about It."
"If you come to an impasse you shouldn't bring it up
anymore. If you have a need that the other cannot
satisfy, you need to come to some kind of an
accommodation to satisfy that need through another
outlet. That's probably why there are people like
"Most people who are into B&D, while they seek out a professional
Mistress or join some of the clubs or S/M
organizations, would like to involve their mates in
the scene. Coming home dressed In leather and chains
announcing you'd like to try `something different'
might not be the smartest thing to do. How would you
suggest someone approach this subject to their
husband, wife, lover etc. ?"
"If you're into the shock value of the thing, and don't
mind short-term relationships; that's one way to
bring up the subject. However, your mate may be out
the door before you can explain your motives."
"If you're really serious about this there are
several approaches you could take: What Is most
important is to dispel the notion that this is sick.
If you brought your mate to me, or another Mistress,
the first thing we'd have to do is convince this
person that we weren t weird or sick. This Is a
commonly held opinion by most people even though It
is completely misguided."
"I'd look around for a marriage counselor, or
therapist who understood and accepted this. Then
bring your mate to this person for the first
discussions. It's important when someone is
introduced to B&D that they see It as another form
of sex play and NOT a perversion or substitute for
sex. You may be able to find some books or articles
in the library that might help, and NOT those found
in magazines like PENTHOUSE or CHERRY(because most
people think these magazines are smut). You've got
to be able to introduce this In a non-threatening
way from a positive source. Otherwise, just the
thought of B&D will be such a turn—off that they
won't look any further."
"Once you've broken the ice, you may sway them to
your side. If they're really into it they'll say
`this is fun' and you're all set. Also, they'll meet
with other people who are into the scene and find
out that most of them aren't perverts, but just
people with different tastes. When your mate has
figured out that people who are into B&D aren't so
bad, I think it will show a whole new light on your
"If someone wanted to contact you. How would they do it?"
"They could write me
P.O. BOX 781
Pontiac Michigan 48056
or they could call me direct at
(313) 354-0392 today
"The last question is a giant killer. What else would you like
to say? We've only touched the surface on what
Dominance is, and the enjoyment of B&D. If you'd
like to add anything?"
"Doing what I do Is A LOT of work and a lot of fun.
However you have to put up with alot of bullshit. I
just had a guy call and wanted a session next week.
He asks me if I'll do this ...If I'll do that....If
I'll do whatever. I say fine call be the day before
you want to come In. Whats so hard about that? He
finally asks "Will you go down on me?"
"This guy Is a phone freak. He's not going to come
in for a session. He's just going to get off on what
I tell him. Who needs that crap? Alot of people give
you a hard time, and that's something that I don't
"For those people who are Interested In me, they
make an appointment, they act like gentlemen, they
don't hassle me about my fee, they are into it, they
want to do it, That's the kind of people I want to
"If my life was perfect I wouldn't have to fight
with these magazines, for my pictures and articles,
I've given thousands of pictures to these magazines
and they've probably printed less than 1/4 of them."
"For anyone getting into this business it's hard.
However once you get established even though you
have to stay here in the dungeon almost twenty four
hours a day, you can make a pretty good living doing
something you enjoy. Sometimes you work until
midnight and watch the things that you'd planned to
do In the evenings go right down the drain! The
point is you work long hours."
"It takes a lot to be a dominant. You need the
attire, equipment, a dungeon all those things. and
most of all you need a Commitment to Dominance. The
next thing you need is the connection with the
magazines -— and that's probably the hardest thing
"Some new girl with heavy eye makeup and a garter
belt is on the cover of a magazine but in four
months she's dropped out of the scene entirely! Do
you have any idea how long it's been since I've been
on a cover?"
"Look at Mistress Destiny —— for a while there she
was on the cover of every magazine. However, even
though she's an excellent Dominant you don't see her
any more. It really shouldn't be like that. It's the
Mistresses who make these publications what they
are! but it's quite a struggle to have them see your
"Someday someone's going to publish a magazine who's
more into B&D than they are into publishing AND has
a good business sense. It's going to be that person
who will put most everyone else out of business
because without the hassles I'm currently having to
go through, I could do a much better job, and that
person would sell alot more magazines than anyone
else in the business."
"That's quite a mouthful."
"It certainly Is, but that's how this business is.
You've just about run out of tapes on your recorder.
"I've got more than enough now, would you like dessert and some
At this point, I turned off the tape recorder. For
the rest of the evening Michelle and I enjoyed each
other as people, not as interviewer and interviewee.
Michelle Peters is a fascinating woman. She's
attractive, intelligent, is very good at what she
does, and enjoys doing it. If you are ever in the
Detroit area, she is definitely worth seeing.